ZWO ASI174MM (mono)

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ZWO ASI174MM (mono)

Post by aboy » Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:22 pm

Hi everyone.

Next year I plan to focus more in doing solar, planetarium observation, outreach and pictures. But, I figure it out that I need a better camera that the one I have.

I own 2 cameras:

The DMK51 and the SKYRIS 445 both monochromatic cameras.

I use the DMK with out problems but, the frame rate is too low (12fps) compared to another cameras.
The think that I like about the DMK is the chip size. Big and I don't have much problem with the setting on Firecapture when I'm doing a solar mosaic, is almost no change when I move the mount to get another part of the sun.

For the other hand the Skyris is faster but I have too many problems with the settings. Not sure if it's because of me or what I am doing wrong and now I don't want to deal with it anymore.

This bring me to looking for a big chip camera with a high frame rate. A CCD camera is what I do like but, they are way out of my budget.
So, I was texting with Christopher Go and he recommended me one with the IMX174 chip.

I was looking examples for solar pictures with that chip and I got this:

http://solarchat.natca.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=13277

I bet the camera is a Point Grey camera but, those are out of my Budget.

Christopher Go was recommended me the ZWO ASI174MM (mono) camera that has the same chip and it's right on my budget.

http://astronomy-imaging-camera.com/pro ... /asi174mm/

So. For the camera question here:

Anybody here has tested the ZWO camera for solar?
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Double stack 60mm Coronado ( pre-meade ) H-alpha filters with a 15 blocking filter.

DMK 51AU02 the imaging source Mono CCD camera.

Orion Short 2x Barlow.

Explore Scientific 102mm f/7 Air-Spaced Triplet ED Apochromatic Refractor Telescope.

Astrotelescope ( Planet Killer ) 102mm f/11 hand corrected doublet. Refractor Telescope.

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Re: ZWO ASI174MM (mono)

Post by Merlin66 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:55 pm

I've just made the similar decision and moved from the DMK51 to the ASI174.
I believe there is minimal Newton Ring issues and the results at the higher frame rate will be ideal for the spectroheliograph application.
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Post by marktownley » Wed Dec 09, 2015 5:33 am

Lots of people use the 174mm for solar with great success.
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http://brierleyhillsolar.blogspot.co.uk/
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Re: ZWO ASI174MM (mono)

Post by Montana » Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:58 am

This thread will be of help to you http://solarchat.natca.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17660

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Re: ZWO ASI174MM (mono)

Post by aboy » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:25 am

Cool. I will try to buy the camera by January and see what I can do with it.
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Double stack 60mm Coronado ( pre-meade ) H-alpha filters with a 15 blocking filter.

DMK 51AU02 the imaging source Mono CCD camera.

Orion Short 2x Barlow.

Explore Scientific 102mm f/7 Air-Spaced Triplet ED Apochromatic Refractor Telescope.

Astrotelescope ( Planet Killer ) 102mm f/11 hand corrected doublet. Refractor Telescope.

Losmandy - G11 ( Gemini 1 )

FireCapture, AutoStakkert 2, PixInsight, Registack 6 and Photoshop CS 6.

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Re: ZWO ASI174MM (mono)

Post by aboy » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:48 pm

Montana wrote:This thread will be of help to you http://solarchat.natca.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17660

Alexandra
Thank you Alexandra for the link.

Now I want to ask to Pedro Re how good is the camera in calcium and White light.

Maybe he can post something here, maybe. :geek:
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Double stack 60mm Coronado ( pre-meade ) H-alpha filters with a 15 blocking filter.

DMK 51AU02 the imaging source Mono CCD camera.

Orion Short 2x Barlow.

Explore Scientific 102mm f/7 Air-Spaced Triplet ED Apochromatic Refractor Telescope.

Astrotelescope ( Planet Killer ) 102mm f/11 hand corrected doublet. Refractor Telescope.

Losmandy - G11 ( Gemini 1 )

FireCapture, AutoStakkert 2, PixInsight, Registack 6 and Photoshop CS 6.

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Re: ZWO ASI174MM (mono)

Post by Valery » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:19 am

marktownley wrote:Lots of people use the 174mm for solar with great success.
Mark, you will, probably, not believe me, but I am the one, who denied a ZWO ASI174 for solar imaging
and prefer an old good PGR Flea3 ICX445 mono, despite slower fps.

May be I need better seeing and more sunny weather, but for now this ZWO just gazers a dust on my table.

I were quite disappointed.


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Post by Montana » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:05 am

I would ask Pedro on his current post in the solarchat forum, I am sure he will respond quickly. Not everyone reads all the other areas.

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Re: ZWO ASI174MM (mono)

Post by aboy » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:50 pm

Valery wrote:
marktownley wrote:Lots of people use the 174mm for solar with great success.
Mark, you will, probably, not believe me, but I am the one, who denied a ZWO ASI174 for solar imaging
and prefer an old good PGR Flea3 ICX445 mono, despite slower fps.

May be I need better seeing and more sunny weather, but for now this ZWO just gazers a dust on my table.

I were quite disappointed.


Valery
Wow... Now you make me think about it. It's always a PGR camera the top of the line.. :( I think I will save and later I will decide later.

Any ways I did find this too for the ASI174:

http://www.rowanastronomy.com/productsa4.htm#adaptors

Montana wrote:I would ask Pedro on his current post in the solarchat forum, I am sure he will respond quickly. Not everyone reads all the other areas.

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Thank you Alexandra I will really appreciate that.
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Double stack 60mm Coronado ( pre-meade ) H-alpha filters with a 15 blocking filter.

DMK 51AU02 the imaging source Mono CCD camera.

Orion Short 2x Barlow.

Explore Scientific 102mm f/7 Air-Spaced Triplet ED Apochromatic Refractor Telescope.

Astrotelescope ( Planet Killer ) 102mm f/11 hand corrected doublet. Refractor Telescope.

Losmandy - G11 ( Gemini 1 )

FireCapture, AutoStakkert 2, PixInsight, Registack 6 and Photoshop CS 6.

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Re: ZWO ASI174MM (mono)

Post by pedro » Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:52 pm

Here are a few examples of solar images taken with my ZWO ASI174MM. It is a nice camera for solar imaging (3 lights) but I still use my GRASSHOPPER 3 2.8 MP MONO (GS3-U3-28S5M-C) most of the times.

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SUN (20150718) WL AR12386/ar12387. LUNT152 F/6, 2" Baader Ceramic Herschel Wedge, X5 Powermate, ZWO ASI174MM

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SUN (20150718) DISK (15:00 UTC). TV101 F/5.4, LUNT60, BF30, ZWO ASI174MM

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SUN (20150718) WL. LUNT152 F/6, 2" Baader Ceramic Herschel Wedge, ZWO ASI174MM

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CELESTRON 100 EDR + ZWO ASI174MM

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SUN (20150718) CaK DISK & PROMS (15:00 UTC). TV101 F/5.4, LUNT 1200 CaK Module, ZWO ASI174MM

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SUN (20150718) WL & CaK (15:00 UTC). TV101 F/5.4, 2" Baader Ceramic Herschel Wedge, LUNT 1200 CaK Module, ZWO ASI174MM

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SUN (20150802) H-alpha (15:00 UTC). IKHARUS 102 F/7, Coronado SM60, BF30, ZWO ASI174MM

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SUN (20150802) WL & CaK (15:00 UTC). IKHARUS 102 F/7, 2" Baader Ceramic Herschel Wedge, LUNT 1200 CaK Module, ZWO ASI174MM

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Re: ZWO ASI174MM (mono)

Post by aboy » Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:53 pm

pedro wrote:Here are a few examples of solar images taken with my ZWO ASI174MM. It is a nice camera for solar imaging (3 lights) but I still use my GRASSHOPPER 3 2.8 MP MONO (GS3-U3-28S5M-C) most of the
Thank you Pedro. Really appreciate your time and pictures.

One more question:

For Ha do you need to tilde the camera?
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--Albert Einstein, October 26, 1929
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EQ:

Double stack 60mm Coronado ( pre-meade ) H-alpha filters with a 15 blocking filter.

DMK 51AU02 the imaging source Mono CCD camera.

Orion Short 2x Barlow.

Explore Scientific 102mm f/7 Air-Spaced Triplet ED Apochromatic Refractor Telescope.

Astrotelescope ( Planet Killer ) 102mm f/11 hand corrected doublet. Refractor Telescope.

Losmandy - G11 ( Gemini 1 )

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Re: ZWO ASI174MM (mono)

Post by Merlin66 » Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:03 pm

What do you mean by "" tilde the camera""
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Re: ZWO ASI174MM (mono)

Post by aboy » Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:17 am

Merlin66 wrote:What do you mean by "" tilde the camera""
Sorry. I mean tilt the camera for the newton rings..
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--Albert Einstein, October 26, 1929
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Double stack 60mm Coronado ( pre-meade ) H-alpha filters with a 15 blocking filter.

DMK 51AU02 the imaging source Mono CCD camera.

Orion Short 2x Barlow.

Explore Scientific 102mm f/7 Air-Spaced Triplet ED Apochromatic Refractor Telescope.

Astrotelescope ( Planet Killer ) 102mm f/11 hand corrected doublet. Refractor Telescope.

Losmandy - G11 ( Gemini 1 )

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Post by pedro » Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:07 am

I did not tilt my camera for the FD images (setups used). However you will have to deal with newton rings most of the times in HR work. This is the reason I prefer the GS3-U3-28S5M-C

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Post by aboy » Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:35 pm

pedro wrote:I did not tilt my camera for the FD images (setups used). However you will have to deal with newton rings most of the times in HR work. This is the reason I prefer the GS3-U3-28S5M-C

best regards

Thank you Pedro.

I will use the camera for HR pictures on mosaic (2 x) pictures so, I will have the rings all over the place.

I found on Facebook a link for this:

http://www.rowanastronomy.com/productsa4.htm#adaptors

So, I think this may solve my problems.
"I'm enough of an artist to draw freely on my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited; imagination encircles the world."

--Albert Einstein, October 26, 1929
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EQ:

Double stack 60mm Coronado ( pre-meade ) H-alpha filters with a 15 blocking filter.

DMK 51AU02 the imaging source Mono CCD camera.

Orion Short 2x Barlow.

Explore Scientific 102mm f/7 Air-Spaced Triplet ED Apochromatic Refractor Telescope.

Astrotelescope ( Planet Killer ) 102mm f/11 hand corrected doublet. Refractor Telescope.

Losmandy - G11 ( Gemini 1 )

FireCapture, AutoStakkert 2, PixInsight, Registack 6 and Photoshop CS 6.

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