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New member here, PST woes.

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:28 am
by Steve Rosenow
Hi, all.

I'm a newbie here, although with regards to astronomy I'd have to say I've been around a bit. Always willing to learn new tricks and I'm just now learning the ropes of hydrogen alpha solar telescope imaging and observing. Let's say I'm pretty hooked now!

Just recently, I acquired a Meade/Coronado PST from an individual an hour away. It was a local Craigslist find and the original owner had only used it twice. Once was during the eclipse last August, and the other was a couple weeks afterward. From there, it sat in a closet, until I picked it up two weeks ago. It was purchased weeks before the eclipse, and fundamentally is a brand new scope.

First glimpse through it was full of nice, contrasty views. A few days ago, however, it suffered an accident. I had it out on a tripod observing and doing a bit of DSLR imaging with it, and got the 'call of nature' so I rushed back inside for a few seconds. While inside, one of the tripod leg lock levers suffered a fatigue-induced failure which brought the PST itself to the ground. The impact tore the internal etalon out of the threaded mounting on the pentaprism body, and misaligned the pentaprism itself.

The etalon is fine, and was not 'decontacted' or thrown out of alignment as there is no ghosting of solar images present. In fact, the threads were relatively unscathed in the impact and the etalon threads into the PST body without issue. However, there was a noticeable loss in contrast (which I suspect is due to the pentaprism being misaligned), following the impact. Areas of plage and solar filaments aren't as contrasty as they were when I had my first glimpse.

When I tried removing the top cover to access the pentaprism, three of the six hex-head screws that hold the cover in place, had stripped out. Incidentally, it was while using a set of brand new Allen-head wrenches that I bought specifically for the PST. I have tried everything to remove those three screws to access the prism to no avail, including the rubber band method, using extractor bits which made it worse.

What say ye, to helping me fix this? And what suggestions might prevail, to give me the contrast I had?

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Re: New member here, PST woes.

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:49 am
by solarchat
Well, I’m sorry to hear that. I think every seasoned solar astronomer here has dropped and destroyed at least one scope.
It looks like you already have access to the penta prism in the photo of the unscrewed blocking filter assembly.

P.S. not to be the bearer of bad news but that is the most rusted blocking filter I have ever seen...and I’ve seen a few.

You can just push the penta prism around from that hole as it is not secured with anything except pressure.
I suspect that most of your problem is coming from that rusted blocking filter.
Im not sure about when you said “the etalon screwed into the PST body fine”. The etalon is at the base of the gold OTA where the rubber ring is. The pic you posted shows the rusted blocking filter/eyepiece tube unscrewed from the body.
As far as the frozen allen head screws go, time for the drill if they are stripped. I don’t believe you need to open the body though as that blocking filter looks like the problem. It’s an easy fix once you get the replacement filter.
Every Coronado scope ever made has a rusted blocking filter after a few years and this is no exception. That is the #1 cause of contrast loss.
I’m sure the others will chime in with their suggestions as well.

Re: New member here, PST woes.

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:51 am
by Steve Rosenow
That's strange, according to Meade, the PST's etalons are in the eyepiece tube assembly.

Re: New member here, PST woes.

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:47 am
by robert
solarchat wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:49 am P.S. not to be the bearer of bad news but that is the most rusted blocking filter I have ever seen...and I’ve seen a few.
Every Coronado scope ever made has a rusted blocking filter after a few years and this is no exception. That is the #1 cause of contrast loss.
I’m sure the others will chime in with their suggestions as well.
I agree with Stephen that is a bad blocking filter and the etalon is at the other end of the black box, with the rubber ring. All sortable, the pentaprism needs to be roughly aligned to avoid astigmatism, but is is only loosely attached to anything, but is not your main problem.

Good luck
Robert

Re: New member here, PST woes.

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:24 pm
by Montana
I agree with Stephen also, the etalon is where the rubber tuning ring is at the base of the gold tube, have you ever tuned the etalon? try tuning it to improve surface contrast. This is the eyepiece end shown in the picture with a bad filter. I hope your etalon has not decontacted, when mine was decontacted I didn't have ghosts either I just couldn't get it on band - no surface contrast, turned out just one spacer was bad.

Alexandra

Re: New member here, PST woes.

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:38 pm
by Steve Rosenow
Montana wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:24 pm I agree with Stephen also, the etalon is where the rubber tuning ring is at the base of the gold tube, have you ever tuned the etalon? try tuning it to improve surface contrast. This is the eyepiece end shown in the picture with a bad filter. I hope your etalon has not decontacted, when mine was decontacted I didn't have ghosts either I just couldn't get it on band - no surface contrast, turned out just one spacer was bad.

Alexandra
How did you fix it? It doesn't seem to be decontacted, and I can get it to show filaments and the chromosphere/prominences, but the contrast isn't as sharp as it was when I picked it up.

All suggestions I've seen say it has to be shipped back to Meade. I can't afford to do that and would rather fix it myself if there's a way to do so.

Re: New member here, PST woes.

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:09 am
by Montana
If you still see good overall surface contrast then the problem is the rusty filter, it needs replacing. I think there are plenty of people on the solarscope modifications section who have replaced these filters. You need to ask Mark Townley or Merlin66.

Alexandra

Re: New member here, PST woes.

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:29 pm
by Merlin66
The ITF filter at the base of the eyepiece holder tube (the one shown in the submitted photo) can easy be replaced with a "drop in" replacement from Maier Photonics
http://maierphotonics.com/656bandpassfilter.aspx

Re: New member here, PST woes.

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:52 am
by Steve Rosenow
So when I purchase the replacement, which side goes up? I would assume one side is red, the other blue?

Re: New member here, PST woes.

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:10 am
by Steve Rosenow
How long would shipping take if I were to order that in a week? I hope to have the PST 'fixed' by May 11th.

Re: New member here, PST woes.

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:13 am
by Merlin66
Easy, the shiny side towards the front - facing the incoming light.

Re: New member here, PST woes.

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:15 am
by Merlin66
Maier are usually pretty prompt....I assume you're in the US?

Re: New member here, PST woes.

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:17 am
by Steve Rosenow
Merlin66 wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:15 am Maier are usually pretty prompt....I assume you're in the US?
Yes. Washington state.