Solar Features, High Res & FD | Sept 23rd 2019

this is the main message area for anything solar :)
Post Reply
User avatar
MalVeauX
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Posts: 1861
Joined: Tue May 09, 2017 7:58 pm
Location: Florida
Has thanked: 1182 times
Been thanked: 1373 times

Solar Features, High Res & FD | Sept 23rd 2019

Post by MalVeauX »

Heya,

Woke up to a pleasantly clear sky and some ok seeing. Was able to get a little data at a few different scales.

I namely wanted to look at angular resolution differences between two wavelengths, in this case, 610nm and 430nm. 430nm has 41% higher angular resolution than 610nm. The difference is pretty close to comparing apertures of 150mm to 200mm in terms of resolving power, but also balancing angular resolution of the wavelength of light with it, so that they're similar.

Convection cells (150mm F16 at 430nm with 2.9um pixels):

Image

Convection cells (200mm F10 at 610nm with 2.9um pixels):

Image

High Res Spicules at the Limb (200mm aperture)

Image

Image

Prominences and chromosphere features (120mm aperture)

Image

Image

Image

Full disc (52mm aperture)

Image

++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++

Colored:

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Earth Scale:
EarthScale_Spicules_200mmF10_PST_BF10_101frames_Colored_09232019.jpg
EarthScale_Spicules_200mmF10_PST_BF10_101frames_Colored_09232019.jpg (150.42 KiB) Viewed 1567 times
Equipment:

C8 Edge + Aires D-ERF + PST Etalon & 10mm BF + ASI290MM
120mm F10 Achromat + PST Etalon & 10mm BF + ASI290MM
52mm F11 ED + PST Etalon & 10mm BF + ASI174MM
EarthScale_Spicules_200mmF10_PST_BF10_101frames_Colored_09232019.jpg
EarthScale_Spicules_200mmF10_PST_BF10_101frames_Colored_09232019.jpg (150.42 KiB) Viewed 1567 times
Very best,
Attachments
Solarsetup_09232019.jpg
Solarsetup_09232019.jpg (56.08 KiB) Viewed 1567 times


User avatar
MAURITS
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Posts: 8615
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:37 pm
Location: Belgium
Has thanked: 2463 times
Been thanked: 4879 times
Contact:

Re: Solar Features, High Res & FD | Sept 23rd 2019

Post by MAURITS »

Excellent Marty.


Regards,
Maurits

Vista del Cielo Observatory

www.vistadelcielo.be
User avatar
marktownley
Librarian
Librarian
Posts: 42507
Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:27 pm
Location: Brierley Hills, UK
Has thanked: 20757 times
Been thanked: 10442 times
Contact:

Re: Solar Features, High Res & FD | Sept 23rd 2019

Post by marktownley »

You had a really excellent bounty there Marty, very impressed with the 6"/430nm/290m combo...


Image
http://brierleyhillsolar.blogspot.co.uk/
Solar images, a collection of all the most up to date live solar data on the web, imaging & processing tutorials - please take a look!
User avatar
MapleRidge
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Posts: 10234
Joined: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:58 pm
Location: Cambray, ON Canada
Has thanked: 64 times
Been thanked: 4407 times
Contact:

Re: Solar Features, High Res & FD | Sept 23rd 2019

Post by MapleRidge »

A superb series of images Marty...excellent results :bow

Brian


Brian Colville

Maple Ridge Observatory
Cambray, ON Canada

Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/185395281@N08/albums

10'x15 Roll-off Roof Observatory
Takahashi EM400 Mount carrying:
C14 + Lunt 80ED
Deep Sky Work - ASI294MM Pro+EFW 7x36/Canon 60D (Ha mod), ONAG
Planetary Work - SBIG CFW10, ASI462MM

2.2m Diameter Dome
iOptron CEM70G Mount carrying:
Orion EON 130ED, f7 OTA for Day & Night Use
Ha Setup: Lunt LS80PT/LS75FHa/B1200Ha + Home Brew Lunt Double Stack/B1800Ha on the Orion OTA + Daystar Quantum
WL, G-Band & CaK Setup: Lunt Wedge & Lunt B1800CaK, Baader K-Line and Altair 2nm G-Band filter
ASI1600MM, ASI432MM, ASI294MM Pro, ASI174MM, ASI462MM
User avatar
ffellah
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Posts: 11287
Joined: Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:46 pm
Location: Westport, CT USA
Has thanked: 9298 times
Been thanked: 6133 times

Re: Solar Features, High Res & FD | Sept 23rd 2019

Post by ffellah »

All great, Marty, but the granulation shots are my favorite. Very sharp and detailed.

Franco


User avatar
Carbon60
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Posts: 14294
Joined: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:33 pm
Location: Lancashire, UK
Has thanked: 8523 times
Been thanked: 8259 times

Re: Solar Features, High Res & FD | Sept 23rd 2019

Post by Carbon60 »

Great set of images, Marty. Interesting comparisons.

Stu.


H-alpha, WL and Ca II K imaging kit for various image scales.
Fluxgate Magnetometers (1s and 150s Cadence).
Radio meteor detector.
More images at http://www.flickr.com/photos/solarcarbon60/
User avatar
DeepSolar64
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Posts: 19032
Joined: Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:19 am
Location: Lowndesville S.C.
Has thanked: 17813 times
Been thanked: 16953 times

Re: Solar Features, High Res & FD | Sept 23rd 2019

Post by DeepSolar64 »

Incredible resolution!


Lunt 8x32 SUNoculars
Orion 70mm Solar Telescope
Celestron AstroMaster Alt/Az Mount
Meade Coronado SolarMax II 60 DS
Meade Coronado SolarMax II 90 DS
Meade Coronado AZS Alt/Az Mount
Astro-Tech AT72EDII with Altair solar wedge
Celestron NexStar 102GT with Altair solar wedge
Losmandy AZ8 Alt/Az Mount
Sky-Watcher AZGTI Alt-Az GoTo mount
Cameras: ZWO ASI178MM, PGR Grasshopper, PGR Flea
Lunt, Coronado, TeleVue, Orion and Meade eyepieces

Image Visual Observer
" Way more fun to see it! "
User avatar
marktownley
Librarian
Librarian
Posts: 42507
Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:27 pm
Location: Brierley Hills, UK
Has thanked: 20757 times
Been thanked: 10442 times
Contact:

Re: Solar Features, High Res & FD | Sept 23rd 2019

Post by marktownley »

What is the exposure time like marty with the 430/152/290 combo?


Image
http://brierleyhillsolar.blogspot.co.uk/
Solar images, a collection of all the most up to date live solar data on the web, imaging & processing tutorials - please take a look!
User avatar
Montana
Librarian
Librarian
Posts: 34709
Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:25 pm
Location: Cheshire, UK
Has thanked: 17925 times
Been thanked: 8894 times

Re: Solar Features, High Res & FD | Sept 23rd 2019

Post by Montana »

A really super set Marty, very interesting to see the difference in the granulation between 430 and 610nm
:bow :hamster:
Alexandra


User avatar
MalVeauX
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Posts: 1861
Joined: Tue May 09, 2017 7:58 pm
Location: Florida
Has thanked: 1182 times
Been thanked: 1373 times

Re: Solar Features, High Res & FD | Sept 23rd 2019

Post by MalVeauX »

Thanks all :bow
marktownley wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:27 am What is the exposure time like marty with the 430/152/290 combo?
Mark, the exposure is nuts. It's a very very high transmission system. The 150mm F8 refractor is stock. Inside the focuser I have a Baader blue CCD-IR block imaging filter as the primary ERF and it handles the 6" heat no problem. The scope is F8 and the critical sampling of 430nm and 2.9um pixels is around F16, so thankfully I was able to just use a standard 2x barlow to get there. But the transmission is so high that it's fully saturated at the camera side. Even with the Edmund Optics 430nm +/-10nm 45% (?) transmission filter. I have it mounted inside of a UV/IR block filter which is in front of it that does not cut out 430nm (its a standard ZWO UV/IR block filter). I had to grind transmission down with a 10 stop ND3.0 Baader ND filter. Without it, I was saturating at 0.032ms exposure times. A 6 stop ND filter wasn't enough either. I had to go to a 10 stop. This let me get back to something reasonable so I had room to work without touching gain. So with gamma far right in Firecapture (100), zero gain, I was at 3.5ms exposure time after all that. Without the 10 stop, I was stuck at 0.032 saturated, and near saturating in the 0.08ms, etc area, requiring gain just to get the histogram I wanted, because shortening exposure time oversaturated too much, all at zero gain, so I had to really grind down transmission to have wiggle room.

The same happens with my SCT in white light. My D-ERF -> Red IR block CCD imaging filter (ERF2) -> Baader 610nm imaging train for convection cells requires a 6 stop ND filter just to not oversaturate at 0.032ms too. I had to get a 10 stop just to be able to have room to expose without messing with gain.

I have a couple of skybenders so they make nice housings to hold multiple filters in an imaging train, so I have incorporated that to make it a "module" that I can just insert for Gband imaging (though this 430nm filter is not tight enough on bandpass to truly show Gband and my apertures are limited on top of that to show off Gband features, so if nothing, this is just a nicer high contrast approach with a smaller aperture). Using a 6" refractor is much easier to have an ERF for than a SCT or reflector without great cost or destroying coatings/aluminum and achieves high resolution with the shorter wavelength.

Very best,


bart1805
Almost There...
Almost There...
Posts: 636
Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:04 pm
Location: The Netherlands
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Solar Features, High Res & FD | Sept 23rd 2019

Post by bart1805 »

Why do you use a Gamma setting of 100?


User avatar
MalVeauX
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Posts: 1861
Joined: Tue May 09, 2017 7:58 pm
Location: Florida
Has thanked: 1182 times
Been thanked: 1373 times

Re: Solar Features, High Res & FD | Sept 23rd 2019

Post by MalVeauX »

bart1805 wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:23 pm Why do you use a Gamma setting of 100?
Just to make it easier to see a high contrast to focus. Then turn gamma off and adjust as needed for histogram wanted.

Very best,


bart1805
Almost There...
Almost There...
Posts: 636
Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:04 pm
Location: The Netherlands
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Solar Features, High Res & FD | Sept 23rd 2019

Post by bart1805 »

MalVeauX wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:52 pm
bart1805 wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:23 pm Why do you use a Gamma setting of 100?
Just to make it easier to see a high contrast to focus. Then turn gamma off and adjust as needed for histogram wanted.

Very best,
Interesting. I decrease Gamma to see more contrast, up the exposure a bit and focus. But if it works for you, don't change.


User avatar
MalVeauX
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Way More Fun to Share It!!
Posts: 1861
Joined: Tue May 09, 2017 7:58 pm
Location: Florida
Has thanked: 1182 times
Been thanked: 1373 times

Re: Solar Features, High Res & FD | Sept 23rd 2019

Post by MalVeauX »

bart1805 wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:52 pm
MalVeauX wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:52 pm
bart1805 wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:23 pm Why do you use a Gamma setting of 100?
Just to make it easier to see a high contrast to focus. Then turn gamma off and adjust as needed for histogram wanted.

Very best,
Interesting. I decrease Gamma to see more contrast, up the exposure a bit and focus. But if it works for you, don't change.
I might have the terminology backwards. When I set gamma to 100, it gets very dark and the contrast is very high. When I set gamma to a lower value, say 37, the shadows and mid-tones are so spread and similar that the whole image is virtually grey without contrast. Maybe when I set gamma to 100 it's contrast to minimum? How would you describe gamma in FireCapture and this observation?

Very best,


Post Reply