Frankencope Tests! (Apologies for absence)

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Frankencope Tests! (Apologies for absence)

Post by Macavity » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:44 am

Hi (again) Folks! (Throws HAT in) :)

Apologies for absence! As often with Astronomy Forum activities,
one cannot be "everywhere at once" (I notice welcome overlap!).
But also perhaps one should have *something to say* as well? :P

In the *interim* I have been producing "composite" disks like:

Combined.jpg (671.95 KiB) Viewed 1139 times

I also produce the occasional (2x2!) Matrix. Disk / Prominence
animations. White Light (Solar Cont, DS CaK filtered etc. etc.)

But my scopes remain a *modest* Lunt50 & Altair ED66 Frac!
The former (at least) may not change much in the future? lol
So I find my enthusiasm FIRED by ideas of a Frankenscope! :D
Yet it is only recently that I had "the courage" to have a go...

!Franken102.JPG (239.02 KiB) Viewed 1139 times

And (amazingly!) it does show signs of actually working... :mrgreen:

The objective is a (much disguised) Skywatcher ST102. I am
making heavy use of "wood technology" for the OTA "bung"!
I HAVE bought myself a nice Baader 90mm ERF and I'm now
working on making a "proper" (tilted) mounting cell for it...

It is thus far a modest increase in aperture / focal length
50mm f/7 to... 70mm f/7 but I have managed to convince
myself it is "better"... or at least progress is being made! ;)

Lunt 50 owners will know that there is "very little space
to operate" with the original Helical Focusser. But I use
the nose-piece of an Antares 3x Barlow for a 2x increase.

Firstly the Lunt50 Barlowed 2x:
02.LuntBar.thumb.jpg.0c3d577fb031315f15cfae65a48702a3.jpg (355.22 KiB) Viewed 1134 times

Now my "Lunt 70" (Frankenscope!) Barlowed 2x:
03.FrankBar.thumb.jpg.6513d15a061dfd6d68f5ced5134f73bd.jpg (359.73 KiB) Viewed 1134 times

Yesterday, I threw caution to the wind (Yay Sunspots!)
As a "control" re. seeing etc. I took an image with my
ED66 (F=400mm) Barlowed approx 3x for White Light:

01.WLX3.jpg (234.96 KiB) Viewed 1139 times

And now my MIGHTY 70mm f/500mm Frankenscope
Barlowed by 4x (I quickly "scaled" the image a bit!):

02.HAX3.jpg (226.32 KiB) Viewed 1139 times

NO "Lunt 80" or "ED120 Quark"? But I'm still Excited!
If I can extend the focal length to 600mm... Just a
BIT more aperture... f/7 would give me 86.7mm! :cool:

At the moment I am pondering other and better(?)
Donor Scopes! I can extend my ersatz construction
method (and can afford) an ST120 OTA... Would it
be "good enough" re. Spherical Aberrations? What
if I stop it down to 90mm to match the ERF? etc.

I will also be limited to a Lunt BF600... I cannot
"Change the Laws of Physics", but maybe *bend*
them just a little? It's all "Light cones and Solar
Image diameters", right? [teasing] & <thinking> :lol:

Donor Scope suggestions are now very welcome!
Apologies for the extended <wibble>! Maybe this
might provide a similar *incentive* to others... :D

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Re: Frankencope Tests! (Apologies for absence)

Post by Macavity » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:01 am

To complete this quickly and to answer a question from another thread!
(Adapted from other notes, so continuity / intelligibility not guaranteed!) :P

Since the above I bought an ST120 (to reclaim my ST102 grab & go OTA!)
The ST120 also maximizes the focal length for the Lunt BF600 and gives a
bit more "elbow room" for making "wood-technology" components! I have
also now finished an ERF cell and improved the "quick-release" clamping.

Without access to a lathe and requiring a quick & easy way of prototyping
I opted for the Hole Saw + "Redneck Lathe" (**) using MDF Lite (fibreboard).
To add a bit of accuracy I used the structurally firmer hardboard to make
the outer layer of what is (effectively) DIY plywood! :mrgreen:

** {Basically you make up a set of disks of appropriate outer diameter and
SPIN them using a power drill (in drill press) to fine tune outer diameters
using a file / sandpaper etc. N.B. Be careful applying lateral pressure to a
drill bit as this is not their intended purpose!! On the other hand MDF is
very soft? Do remember to wear a MASK to avoid breathing any MDF dust!} :shock:

It is usually necessary to make fairly exact diameter for the inner holes.
But, using the general method + a little imagination(?), you can make:

The Bung:
Bung.JPG (233.14 KiB) Viewed 960 times

90mm Baader ERF Cell:
ERF_Cell.JPG (291.83 KiB) Viewed 960 times

I found some PVC duct of larger diameter than the Refractor Dew Shield
and made the outer wall of the ERF cell by cutting /gluing TWO lengths
pipe around one another... You can also add ERF filter tilting etc. etc.
Pipes.JPG (250.25 KiB) Viewed 960 times

THE END result:
!Franken2.JPG (201.23 KiB) Viewed 960 times

Collimation proved reassuring trivial! I just tried to square / shim the
OTA's as best as possible, using a engineer's square / digital level etc.
Focus is "restored" by sliding the Lunt OTA back and forth in the Frac!
I have included some *safety features*... A locking clamp and a BOLT.
I certainly don't want my Lunt 50 sliding onto the observatory floor!

Basically I am now operating the f/5 120mm ST120 at a stopped-down
86mm... To give the optimal f/7 light cone for the Lunt50 Etalon etc.
I suspect it may reduce e.g. spherical aberrations of an f/5 achromat?

I am not a particular master of Solar Processing, but I feel there is a
a significant increase of resolution in the approx 4x Barlowed images!

Native Lunt 50 (f=350mm):
01.Full.jpg (295.65 KiB) Viewed 960 times

Barlowed 86mm "Frankenscope" (f=1200mm):
06.Best.jpg (677.47 KiB) Viewed 960 times

For the moment I am happy enough with this. Clearly you can
"upgrade" it in a number of ways... Use a "better" objective...
Get a skilled machinist to make the components for you etc.

I part justify the cost of the ST120 by claiming I *needed* a
NEW and bigger ST120 Richest field (nighttime!) scope. But
that will be its main / alternative use in the quick release
scheme. The cost of a 90mm ERF was thus the "only" thing? :lol:

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Re: Frankencope Tests! (Apologies for absence)

Post by marktownley » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:10 pm

Looks really good!
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