>>>>Hello Cata,
I will respond per quoted comment,
First, my apologies if you find some of my comments offending, I feel clarity in pricing for services in posts regarding parts or services is important in order to avoid misinterpretation and confusion. I am blunt; I have alluded to that in the past. I will also continue to be blunt if I see posts that have the "appearance" of being deceiving. This is my nature.>>>RE: My point here is that ERFs are going to be an expensive endeavor regardless of location and that if anybody is determined to make their own they will find that out. Local vendors in many places are capable of providing the coating and polishing services but cost will often be prohibitive on a "one off" basis. If there is an interest from people from the same geographic region, they can band together to bring cost down. There is no cheap alternative for large ERF. It looks like Lunt is working on it but sell out as quickly as they can produce them. Yes, sourcing is tough. Other alternatives have been presented on the forum.>>>RE: Very good, glad you feel that way.>>>RE: Please continue to share your advanced knowledge and please post links to the source of the telecentric. I am certain many will be interested. Nobody should "shut up" but hopefully and in the interest of honesty, anybody who is offering services will post links or estimates of cost such that members can make informed decisions on purchases and services. Money is tight worldwide. From my experience here on Solar Chat, this is the expected norm and sharing of sources and pricing has proved very useful even for me.<<<<
There is no 'advanced knowledge' on this side of the screen. I'm owning a business but I'm handling mechanics, design and assembly (I'm engineer). You can read some other posts of mine and you will understand easy that's the case.
Optical stuff is another story and I have two opticians that can help designing Telecentrics for a special FL. It's a Zemax thing that doesn't take too much time. After this, the optics are manufactured in an optical factory, where they have tons of calibers for all sort of radii. They are not my usual collaborators, just some acquaintances. I made there a lot of things (prisms, wedges, beamsplitters, lenses) because the quality is high...I can not say here for who they are producing usually, but reading this you might understand.
My Herschel is made using a prism made there, my beamsplitter is made there (for the double pass h-alpha), the Telecentric is made there...and so on.
Hopefully this clarifies some things for you and others.
I wish you the best of luck in finding adequate solutions for your needs !
@colinsk
you said this : Since I am only a visual observer I don't need a really flat field but I also don't want to introduce new abberations with the telecentric.
May I ask, what other aberrations can be induced in the final image since Telecentric is designed in optical software for best results possible on a predefined diameter and you are using it in a narrowband monochromatic environment? As mentioned above, I'm not specialist in optics so more knowledge over this, is always welcomed.
Thank You!
Catalin
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Re: Telecentric lens systems
The only aberration we can eliminate when we design are own system is chromatic because we are in a monochromatic environment. However, premade optical systems are often optimized for green not red.
An optical aberration is a distortion in the image formed by an optical system compared to the original. They can arise for a number of reasons having to due with the limitations of optical components such as lenses and mirrors.
Astigmatism occurs in lenses because a lens has different focal lengths for rays of different orientations, resulting in a distortion of the image. In particular, rays of light from horizontal and vertical lines in a plane on the object are not focused to the same plane on the edges of the image.
Chromatic aberration occurs in lenses because lenses bring different colors of light to a focus at different points.
I guess I should make it clear that these are only really complicated issues for very low bandwidth full disk views of the sun. As soon as we are willing to siden the band pass to .7A or only do closeups of small sections of the sun then the optical design can be much more forgiving.
Coma occurs because off-axis rays no not quite converge at the focal plane. Coma is positive when off-axis rays focus furthest from the axis, and negative when they are closest.
Distortion is caused because the transverse magnification may be a function of the off-axis image distance. Distortion is classified as positive (so-called pincushion distortion), or negative (so-called barrel distortion).
Field curvature (a.k.a. Petzval field curvature) results because the focal plane is actually not planar, but spherical.
Spherical aberration occurs in a spherical lens or mirror because these do not focus parallel rays to a point, but instead along a line. Therefore, off-axis rays are brought to a focus closer to the lens or mirror than are on-axis rays.
From: http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics ... tions.html
Of you want to learn more I would highly recommend "Telescope Optics".
An optical aberration is a distortion in the image formed by an optical system compared to the original. They can arise for a number of reasons having to due with the limitations of optical components such as lenses and mirrors.
Astigmatism occurs in lenses because a lens has different focal lengths for rays of different orientations, resulting in a distortion of the image. In particular, rays of light from horizontal and vertical lines in a plane on the object are not focused to the same plane on the edges of the image.
Chromatic aberration occurs in lenses because lenses bring different colors of light to a focus at different points.
I guess I should make it clear that these are only really complicated issues for very low bandwidth full disk views of the sun. As soon as we are willing to siden the band pass to .7A or only do closeups of small sections of the sun then the optical design can be much more forgiving.
Coma occurs because off-axis rays no not quite converge at the focal plane. Coma is positive when off-axis rays focus furthest from the axis, and negative when they are closest.
Distortion is caused because the transverse magnification may be a function of the off-axis image distance. Distortion is classified as positive (so-called pincushion distortion), or negative (so-called barrel distortion).
Field curvature (a.k.a. Petzval field curvature) results because the focal plane is actually not planar, but spherical.
Spherical aberration occurs in a spherical lens or mirror because these do not focus parallel rays to a point, but instead along a line. Therefore, off-axis rays are brought to a focus closer to the lens or mirror than are on-axis rays.
From: http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics ... tions.html
Of you want to learn more I would highly recommend "Telescope Optics".
Re: Telecentric lens systems
Hi Group,
Apparently Joe thinks that I am trying to sell telecentric lens systems. I posted that if you wanted to make your own I would be glad to help if you were to post what objective or telescope you want to use. I should note that I posted sources where to buy the lens also. At no time did I say I was making the telecentric but in the spirit of ATM make your own. If you read my posts there is nothing against using Powermates. I pointed out that they work fine with broader filters. I also noted that the Baader telecentric works well with narrower filters as a custom commercial telecentric. Also when I am on any group site I make a point, never to advertize anything. When I am on a site I am not a vendor. I am only relaying information that I have come across in the 38 years of using Ha filters. I also have the advantage of working with etalons, birefringent filters and telescope systems. In that time I have found that some misinformation never dies. And with the internet they become as if they are Facts.
When I started this thread I wanted to note, that you needed to know that the shape of the lens is important when designing telecentric lenses. I posted a free lens program to play with so if someone wanted to see what happens when you use different lens shapes, the program will show you how well it is working. There is no such thing as a perfect optical system. You want it to be at least 1/4 wave and the program will show you this ( OLSO Edu ).
I did this because I didn't think the lens would work very well with the focal lengths that were originally posted. I was going to put them in that program but haven't got around to it yet.
Joe also questioned my motive about the T-Scanners. The post was What do do with it. I built so many of them and I always like to know how they held up. So I gave him a option. The only cost that concerns me is the shipping cost. You don't know if it is worth repairing until you check it out. It could be as little as a grease separation to a failed etalon. You don't know until you looked at it. I sent personal e-mails to explain this.
I'm from the old school where you made your own equipment or at least put it together with parts you find.
I'll still point out misinformation when it comes up.
Mark Wagner
Apparently Joe thinks that I am trying to sell telecentric lens systems. I posted that if you wanted to make your own I would be glad to help if you were to post what objective or telescope you want to use. I should note that I posted sources where to buy the lens also. At no time did I say I was making the telecentric but in the spirit of ATM make your own. If you read my posts there is nothing against using Powermates. I pointed out that they work fine with broader filters. I also noted that the Baader telecentric works well with narrower filters as a custom commercial telecentric. Also when I am on any group site I make a point, never to advertize anything. When I am on a site I am not a vendor. I am only relaying information that I have come across in the 38 years of using Ha filters. I also have the advantage of working with etalons, birefringent filters and telescope systems. In that time I have found that some misinformation never dies. And with the internet they become as if they are Facts.
When I started this thread I wanted to note, that you needed to know that the shape of the lens is important when designing telecentric lenses. I posted a free lens program to play with so if someone wanted to see what happens when you use different lens shapes, the program will show you how well it is working. There is no such thing as a perfect optical system. You want it to be at least 1/4 wave and the program will show you this ( OLSO Edu ).
I did this because I didn't think the lens would work very well with the focal lengths that were originally posted. I was going to put them in that program but haven't got around to it yet.
Joe also questioned my motive about the T-Scanners. The post was What do do with it. I built so many of them and I always like to know how they held up. So I gave him a option. The only cost that concerns me is the shipping cost. You don't know if it is worth repairing until you check it out. It could be as little as a grease separation to a failed etalon. You don't know until you looked at it. I sent personal e-mails to explain this.
I'm from the old school where you made your own equipment or at least put it together with parts you find.
I'll still point out misinformation when it comes up.
Mark Wagner
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Re: Telecentric lens systems
ok, so anyway.
You guys take your disagreement over to the bitch and moan forum ( cloudy nights)
Vendor or not, anyone is welcome to post whatever they want here to help others appreciate the Sun. Let's put away the egos, you're all welcome here.
You guys take your disagreement over to the bitch and moan forum ( cloudy nights)
Vendor or not, anyone is welcome to post whatever they want here to help others appreciate the Sun. Let's put away the egos, you're all welcome here.
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Re: Telecentric lens systems
Peter posted this link:
http://www.pbase.com/p_zetner/image/145615191
And this link:
http://www.pbase.com/p_zetner/image/145615184
http://www.pbase.com/p_zetner/image/145615191
And this link:
http://www.pbase.com/p_zetner/image/145615184
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Peter posted this link:
http://www.pbase.com/p_zetner/image/145615191
And this link:
http://www.pbase.com/p_zetner/image/145615184
Hi Colin,
How can I contact Mark in privat ? Thanks Rainer
http://www.pbase.com/p_zetner/image/145615191
And this link:
http://www.pbase.com/p_zetner/image/145615184
Hi Colin,
How can I contact Mark in privat ? Thanks Rainer
regards Rainer
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Re: Telecentric lens systems
[quote]Peter posted this link:
http://www.pbase.com/p_zetner/image/145615191
And this link:
http://www.pbase.com/p_zetner/image/145615184
Hi Colin,
How can I contact Mark in privat ? Thanks Rainer
Hi Rainer, if it is the same Mark I have dealt with, go to the Alpine Astro site and you can find an email. http://www.alpineastro.com/
http://www.pbase.com/p_zetner/image/145615191
And this link:
http://www.pbase.com/p_zetner/image/145615184
Hi Colin,
How can I contact Mark in privat ? Thanks Rainer
Hi Rainer, if it is the same Mark I have dealt with, go to the Alpine Astro site and you can find an email. http://www.alpineastro.com/
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Thanks everybody for the Info :thanx:
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