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Which Quark?

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I think I'm going to pull the trigger on a Quark. Is the Chromosphere model really a good all rounder giving decent results on proms as well? Or do I need to buy the prominence model for good results on prominences?

I'd love to see any images of surface + prominences taken with the Chromosphere model.

I plan to use it with a Skywatcher 80ED and ASI174MM to start with.

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Quark Chromosphere


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As Mark recommends.

Where's your Quark coming from? My usual supplier of most things Astro is still waiting on stock.

Google Quark images, plenty to see :D


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Indeed Quark Chromosphere, if you have luck, than you have a good one.


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Going with a Quark means you are entering an "etalon lottery". The result may vary from "meh" to "hot damn!"
I recommend going with a Chromosphere and if possible you can buy second hand with a picture from the previous owner so you can see how the Quark is performing before buying.


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I would certainly go Quark Chromosphere if I was going to get a DayStar Quark. If I had the money I would go for the Quark Gemini. It will do both Chrom and Prom in one unit. Two bandpasses like single stack and double stack.


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DeepSolar64 wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:09 am I would certainly go Quark Chromosphere if I was going to get a DayStar Quark. If I had the money I would go for the Quark Gemini. It will do both Chrom and Prom in one unit. Two bandpasses like single stack and double stack.
Base on my experience, the Chromosphere version of the Quark would do both proms and surface detail just fine. Maybe you'd need a bit more processing to bring out the detail in Chromosphere but I see no reason to get a separated Quark just for proms IMHO. Also the Gemini is 2 single stack etalon side by side. You switch from one to another instead of doublestacking.


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Agreed, the Quark Chromosphere. And dont make the mistake to get the combo version. Its best to get the Chromosphere version with the integrated and compact 4.3 telecentric which will perform best on a variety of scopes. And you safe a lot of money and hassle. Even with a f/10 scope this telecentric is perfect.


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Hi ! Do you only want to image proms ? Time lapse of prominences ?

I have a Chromosphere version of the Quark. I have not concentrated on proms so far and am working on setting up a 90mm and 120mm refractor (F10 and F8.33) respectively for higher resolution and proms close up.

I am quite happy with the Quark Chromosphere at the present time.

Here is one version of a processed video taken on June 22nd 2022. I made a post of this recently as well. This is not the best of my files, I have not concentrated that much on proms only so far.

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minhlead wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:52 am
DeepSolar64 wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:09 am I would certainly go Quark Chromosphere if I was going to get a DayStar Quark. If I had the money I would go for the Quark Gemini. It will do both Chrom and Prom in one unit. Two bandpasses like single stack and double stack.
Base on my experience, the Chromosphere version of the Quark would do both proms and surface detail just fine. Maybe you'd need a bit more processing to bring out the detail in Chromosphere but I see no reason to get a separated Quark just for proms IMHO. Also the Gemini is 2 single stack etalon side by side. You switch from one to another instead of doublestacking.
The Gemini has a lever or knob I think to switch the filters.


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DeepSolar64 wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:11 pm
minhlead wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:52 am
DeepSolar64 wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:09 am I would certainly go Quark Chromosphere if I was going to get a DayStar Quark. If I had the money I would go for the Quark Gemini. It will do both Chrom and Prom in one unit. Two bandpasses like single stack and double stack.
Base on my experience, the Chromosphere version of the Quark would do both proms and surface detail just fine. Maybe you'd need a bit more processing to bring out the detail in Chromosphere but I see no reason to get a separated Quark just for proms IMHO. Also the Gemini is 2 single stack etalon side by side. You switch from one to another instead of doublestacking.
The Gemini has a lever or knob I think to switch the filters.
There is a slider to switch from 1 etalon to the other. But I think Gemini is just a makerting gimmick to sell off the wider bandpass etalon.


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Simon posts some excellent images here from his DayStar Quark Gemini. Still if I did it I would probably still go Quark Chromosphere because of cost.


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DeepSolar64 wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 11:10 pm Simon posts some excellent images here from his DayStar Quark Gemini. Still if I did it I would probably still go Quark Chromosphere because of cost.
I know at least another guy who have a Gemini with perfect etalon. But it seems to be the matter of luck instead of Daystar using different etalon for Gemini


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Is there a simple 'test' for a good etalon in a quark?

Don't Daystar do any quality checking, or do they expect customers to do it on their behalf?


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Alto wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:19 pm As Mark recommends.

Where's your Quark coming from? My usual supplier of most things Astro is still waiting on stock.

Google Quark images, plenty to see :D
I'm in the UK and it's coming from the Widescreen Centre :)


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Thanks so much for all of the responses everyone.


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HAL wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:13 pm
Alto wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:19 pm As Mark recommends.

Where's your Quark coming from? My usual supplier of most things Astro is still waiting on stock.

Google Quark images, plenty to see :D
I'm in the UK and it's coming from the Widescreen Centre :)
Do Widescreen still check them before despatch, I came across a youtube from a customer unboxing who mentioned it.


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You will be fine with the Chromo model. The proms will be great too… I have a 0.3A SolarSpectrum filter, and you can still without problems see all the proms. My Quantum 0.6A filter do show them with more brightness, but not in a way that you can say that the 0.3 filter dont perform excellent. And the filter performs so much better on the chromosphere. The features are so easy to see.
Get someone to test the filter if you know a person, who can do it. I do it in Denmark.


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You'd think it'd be less hassle for shops to check first?


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Alto wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:21 pm
HAL wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:13 pm
Alto wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:19 pm As Mark recommends.

Where's your Quark coming from? My usual supplier of most things Astro is still waiting on stock.

Google Quark images, plenty to see :D
I'm in the UK and it's coming from the Widescreen Centre :)
Do Widescreen still check them before despatch, I came across a youtube from a customer unboxing who mentioned it.
They haven't mentioned it if they do... hopefully I won't have any issues with it.


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Alto wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:58 pm Is there a simple 'test' for a good etalon in a quark?

Don't Daystar do any quality checking, or do they expect customers to do it on their behalf?
The simplest and most accurate test for the etalon is point it at the sun with the scope/camera attached and take a picture.
Daystar does have QC but let my experience tell you something about their QC:
I bought a Quark directly from daystar online store. And since I am from VN and I heard quite a lot problems with other Quark owner, I decided to just email Jen at DS asking for a better QC to avoid having the item shipped back and forth. Jen told me that she "handpicked" a Quark for me.
After 2 months, the Quark arrives and right after I point it at the light I found 2 small scratches on the trimming filter (the reddish one on the camera side). I pointed the quark at the sun and sure enough, there are really bad uniformity.
I emailed Jen ask about the scratches. She told me everything is up to their standard. After a few email back and forth they accept a return to exchange for another Quark (they told me specifically). They send me a shipping label from VN to US (I'd give them credit for this). After a few weeks waiting, I got another email from DS told me that they would just refund my order and won't sell me another Quark despite my protest.
Then they cancel several order that I place on their online store.
Finally I place an order through another online store and after another 2 months waiting I finally get my new Quark. The new one does not have scratches but it still have significant unhomogenity.
I solve some of the problem with flat but still, there are reduced contrast region that cannot be solve by any software trick.
I then buy a PST etalon and double stack it with my Quark and it improves the homogenity quite a lot. Oh and my Quark won't tune on band when the Ambient temperature is over 40 degrees C (which is a given on a sunny day here in VN). I solves this by making a TEC cooler for it.
Am I satisfied with Daystars's QC and customer service? Of course not. But I do love my Quark despite all of it quirks and imperfections. It took some effort poking around things before it worked for me but I guess that is the point of the hobby. And a similar solution to a Quark would cost me at least double that amount of money so I think it worths it.
Best of luck to you if you choose to go down this path.


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Hi Hal,
I chose the prom version of the quark. I knew longer term I would be getting a double stack scope for chromosphere and, at the time, prom animations caught my eye so that was the best decision for me. Mine shows noticeably finer detail in proms than that of my friends with similar equipment but who are using the chromosphere version. I became addicted to the sun when there was very little disc activity but often quite a few proms so that was another factor influencing my decision: I thought "I'd get my money's worth'! It was definitely right for me, it's brought me hours of pleasure and I have learned a great deal with it which has confirmed a love for the sun and therefore supported my decision to continue to save for some posher kit! The surface detail I get is hugely better than I was getting with my PST which I've since sold, but obviously not as good as people are getting with the chromosphere model.
First Light Optics get their quarks tested by Gary Palmer before they're sent out. Sorry this tip arrives a little late as you've already bought it but hopefully it'll help other people in future.
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Well a Quark showed up as available on a different online site, so I pulled the trigger. I'm assured it was tested before being made available, so I am looking forward to receiving. Just trying to work out if I should stay side by side mounting, or piggyback. I'll have 2 * 4 inch scopes.

I tried piggyback with my Lunt 60 on the WO, then moved to side but found it tricky balancing. It was weighty as I also added all the necessities on the mount, pc, focus control etc...

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Balancing multiple instruments, on the same mounting is a trial, for side by side arrangements. It is best to weigh both complete instruments. Then space them from the saddle centre line to equalise their moments. [Mass x distance.] This worked for me when I was balancing my 7" f/12 and 6" f/10 refractors side my side. Try plywood crossbars before investing in foolishly expensive metal bits.

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Foolish expensive bits, Chris. This is Solar Imaging Country.....Expense is its middle and last name. :seesaw

Point taken though. OTAs without addons are 5 and 4.6kg.

Of course I can't piggyback, not with two scopes of similar length, 'd make a mess at the camera end... :cat


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Alto wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:38 am Foolish expensive bits, Chris. This is Solar Imaging Country.....Expense is its middle and last name. :seesaw

Point taken though. OTAs without addons are 5 and 4.6kg.

Of course I can't piggyback, not with two scopes of similar length, 'd make a mess at the camera end... :cat
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Point taken but I'm always "budget conscious" and build largely from scrap metal.

You have to add the "add-ons" or the [rocket science] maths doesn't work. ;)
You end up with unwanted imbalance torque. Depending entirely on the telescopes' pointing position.
Which leads to motor stalling during slews. And nobody wants that! :D

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I ordered one and it is arriving today. Had I known about the ones from FLO being tested by Gary Palmer I would have purchased from there but I've always been very happy with customer service from WSC so hopefully it will be fine. I'm excited to try it out on my ED80 and also I think I can use it to double stack my Lunt....

Just need a clear day now!


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Rusted wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:43 pm
Alto wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:38 am Foolish expensive bits, Chris. This is Solar Imaging Country.....Expense is its middle and last name. :seesaw

Point taken though. OTAs without addons are 5 and 4.6kg.

Of course I can't piggyback, not with two scopes of similar length, 'd make a mess at the camera end... :cat
Hi Geoff,

Point taken but I'm always "budget conscious" and build largely from scrap metal.

You have to add the "add-ons" or the [rocket science] maths doesn't work. ;)
You end up with unwanted imbalance torque. Depending entirely on the telescopes' pointing position.
Which leads to motor stalling during slews. And nobody wants that! :D

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As to metalwork, I'm no handicrafter, I had to do woodwork at school, not metalworking - something to do with being in the cleverer stream! If I have it already it'll have to do..

Imagine a Mak sandwich between two refractors! :D

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HAL wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:56 pm I ordered one and it is arriving today. Had I known about the ones from FLO being tested by Gary Palmer I would have purchased from there but I've always been very happy with customer service from WSC so hopefully it will be fine. I'm excited to try it out on my ED80 and also I think I can use it to double stack my Lunt....

Just need a clear day now!

Whoops, they had only one this morning. It tripped into my basket.... :band


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Box arrived a short time ago, promising " clouds within ".

Then it started raining...


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Alto wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:03 pm Box arrived a short time ago, promising " clouds within ".

Then it started raining...
We had rain simultaneously with yours! We are Gravely Blighted too! ;)


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New kit = bad weather! Isn't this always the way?! I hope you manage some imaging soon Alto and Rusted.


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