May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
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May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
Hi all,
After several months of bad weather, the Sun finally made its return on the morning of the 22nd, and the seeing was not bad
It was an opportunity to compare the G-band Altair filter which was just released (430.3 nm FWHM = 2 nm) to the Antlia 393-3 nm which was released last year. These two filters show the photosphere.
First Antlia 393-3 nm (which is not a Ca K contrary to what Antlia claims) :
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... 93-3nm.jpg
The new G-band Altair :
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... 30-2nm.jpg
To see the differences, you have to put the images side by side:
- if we look at the full disk, the Antlia brings some more contrast: the facular areas are a little brighter, and they are detectable closer to the center of the solar disk. That being said, the difference is still quite subtle,
- if we zoom to 100%, we can see the Antlia is more affected by turbulence. Sharp areas are small patches separated by blurry areas, whereas with G-band the resolution is fairly uniform. On the other hand, on the sharp areas, the granulation is a little more resolved with the Antlia.
As the seeing conditions were good, I tested the effect of increasingly narrower bandpass in Ca K
- Alluxa Ca K 0.37 nm:
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... K037nm.jpg
- Barr Ca K 0.24 nn :
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... r026nm.jpg
- Alluxa Ca K 0.14 nm:
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... luxa1A.jpg
- double stack Alluxa 0.37 nm + 0.14 nm:
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... 7nm-1A.jpg
Again, you have to put the images side by side to see the differences:
- the Alluxa 0.37 nm obviously shows the (lower) chromosphere unlike the Antlia 393-3 nm which only shows the photosphere. It is clear that the facular areas of the photospheres match the bright plages visible in Ca K,
- the Barr 0.24 nm gives an image very close to that of the Alluxa 0.37 nm. In fact, some small differences are visibles if we zoom in at 100% and observe the edge of the solar disk. The difference is more evident in high resolution,
- the difference between the Alluxa 0.37 nm and the Alluxa 0.14 nm is a little greater. The plages are a little more contrasted (especially towards the center of the solar disk), and the borders of the plages seem a little more blurred. This is because they are located at a greater height in the chromosphere.
- the double stack 0.37 nm + 0.14 nm combination brings a significant increase in contrast. The disk becomes darker and the plages brighter This is not the level of contrast achieved with a SHG (e.g. Sol'Ex), but it is a bit like this. As we sample a greater height of the chromosphere, the sunspots take on a different appearance. Here too, the difference is greater than when observed with a longerfocal length.
And finally, some Ca K double stack images of the different groups visble. The conditions had unfortunately deteriorated a little:
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... -014nm.jpg
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... -014nm.jpg
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... -014nm.jpg
Then, the weather turned bad again ...
Christian
After several months of bad weather, the Sun finally made its return on the morning of the 22nd, and the seeing was not bad
It was an opportunity to compare the G-band Altair filter which was just released (430.3 nm FWHM = 2 nm) to the Antlia 393-3 nm which was released last year. These two filters show the photosphere.
First Antlia 393-3 nm (which is not a Ca K contrary to what Antlia claims) :
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... 93-3nm.jpg
The new G-band Altair :
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... 30-2nm.jpg
To see the differences, you have to put the images side by side:
- if we look at the full disk, the Antlia brings some more contrast: the facular areas are a little brighter, and they are detectable closer to the center of the solar disk. That being said, the difference is still quite subtle,
- if we zoom to 100%, we can see the Antlia is more affected by turbulence. Sharp areas are small patches separated by blurry areas, whereas with G-band the resolution is fairly uniform. On the other hand, on the sharp areas, the granulation is a little more resolved with the Antlia.
As the seeing conditions were good, I tested the effect of increasingly narrower bandpass in Ca K
- Alluxa Ca K 0.37 nm:
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... K037nm.jpg
- Barr Ca K 0.24 nn :
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... r026nm.jpg
- Alluxa Ca K 0.14 nm:
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... luxa1A.jpg
- double stack Alluxa 0.37 nm + 0.14 nm:
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... 7nm-1A.jpg
Again, you have to put the images side by side to see the differences:
- the Alluxa 0.37 nm obviously shows the (lower) chromosphere unlike the Antlia 393-3 nm which only shows the photosphere. It is clear that the facular areas of the photospheres match the bright plages visible in Ca K,
- the Barr 0.24 nm gives an image very close to that of the Alluxa 0.37 nm. In fact, some small differences are visibles if we zoom in at 100% and observe the edge of the solar disk. The difference is more evident in high resolution,
- the difference between the Alluxa 0.37 nm and the Alluxa 0.14 nm is a little greater. The plages are a little more contrasted (especially towards the center of the solar disk), and the borders of the plages seem a little more blurred. This is because they are located at a greater height in the chromosphere.
- the double stack 0.37 nm + 0.14 nm combination brings a significant increase in contrast. The disk becomes darker and the plages brighter This is not the level of contrast achieved with a SHG (e.g. Sol'Ex), but it is a bit like this. As we sample a greater height of the chromosphere, the sunspots take on a different appearance. Here too, the difference is greater than when observed with a longerfocal length.
And finally, some Ca K double stack images of the different groups visble. The conditions had unfortunately deteriorated a little:
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... -014nm.jpg
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... -014nm.jpg
http://astrosurf.com/viladrich/astro/so ... -014nm.jpg
Then, the weather turned bad again ...
Christian
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
Thanks Christian, that's really helpful.
Looking at those side by side, I much prefer the proper Ca images, so I will probably pass on the new G-band (not yet fully decided but leaning that way), especially as my CaH quark seems to deliver nice data so not sure what would be gained.
And btw wow those CaK closeups - the last two in particular are stupendous - and if that's your deteriorated conditions...!
Looking at those side by side, I much prefer the proper Ca images, so I will probably pass on the new G-band (not yet fully decided but leaning that way), especially as my CaH quark seems to deliver nice data so not sure what would be gained.
And btw wow those CaK closeups - the last two in particular are stupendous - and if that's your deteriorated conditions...!
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
Hi Christian: very informative comparison, thank you. All pictures are really excellent but the double stack CaK are truly incredible. Such amazing detail. Very nice to see what is achievable.
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
Always interesting to see your comparisons and always blown away with your closeups!
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
Thanks for the comparison test Christian - interesting to see.
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
Nice comparison, glad to hear you could do some good imaging after all the bad weather.
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
Superb comparison
I must say that even though the Antlia gives similar views to the G Band filter, the fact that I don't need to stop down the TEC140 to 100mm and can use it at full aperture when using the G-Band filter, means it is the clear winner for me.
Vineyard, these filters are WL filters and can't be compared to Calcium K filters, they are there to help resolve WL features only.
On the images you note TOA150 / AiryLab Telecentric what magnification did you use?
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I must say that even though the Antlia gives similar views to the G Band filter, the fact that I don't need to stop down the TEC140 to 100mm and can use it at full aperture when using the G-Band filter, means it is the clear winner for me.
Vineyard, these filters are WL filters and can't be compared to Calcium K filters, they are there to help resolve WL features only.
On the images you note TOA150 / AiryLab Telecentric what magnification did you use?
Kind regards
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
You are 100% correct Alexandra.Montana wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 1:39 pm I must say that even though the Antlia gives similar views to the G Band filter, the fact that I don't need to stop down the TEC140 to 100mm and can use it at full aperture when using the G-Band filter, means it is the clear winner for me.
Vineyard, these filters are WL filters and can't be compared to Calcium K filters, they are there to help resolve WL features only.
On the images you note TOA150 / AiryLab Telecentric what magnification did you use?
Kind regards
Alexandra
In fact my tests are a bit "biaised" since the TOA 150 does not suffer of spherical aberration in near-UV. This is the exception and not the rule amoung refractors. Indeed, most of the refractors need to be stopped down (loosing resolution) when used in near-UV (Antlia 393-3 nm or Ca K/H filters). As a result, the G-band is the clear winner for most refractors compared to the Antlia 393-3 nm.
Not to mention seeing effects more important at 396 nm compared to 430 nm.
Thanks for reminding this !
I used the Airylab telescentric at 2.7x. It is very nice in near-UV. The level of ghost images is much lower compared to Baader FFC, and the double-stack Ca K works better because of telecentricity.
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
Gold standard as always Christian, very informative and thanks for sharing!
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
I could not have said it better!
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
Great comparison images! The Ca-K images are fantastic. It looks like those Alluxa narrow band Ca-K filters are way out of my price range, though.
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
Hi Christian,
Thank you for sharing your tests.
Comparing the 393 and 430, my preference goes for the 393nm.
The CaK double stack is a killer...
CS
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Thank you for sharing your tests.
Comparing the 393 and 430, my preference goes for the 393nm.
The CaK double stack is a killer...
CS
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
Very interesting, Christian. Thanks for making these comparisons. As they say, you get what you pay for…those Alluxa filters are not cheap
Superb close up images.
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
Great tests, thanks, Christian!
breathtaking closeups... it would be very intriguing to obtain SHG images in Ca at the same scale.
Is it really not easy to adjust such an exclusive pair of filters by both rotation and tilting?
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breathtaking closeups... it would be very intriguing to obtain SHG images in Ca at the same scale.
Is it really not easy to adjust such an exclusive pair of filters by both rotation and tilting?
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
Thanks for sharing these test results with us Christian! Very informative and inspiring!
As others have noted, the last close up images are just stupendous!!
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As others have noted, the last close up images are just stupendous!!
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
Sure. One day, I have to use my "high spectral resolution" version of Sol'Ex to image the Sun in Ca K. For the moment, I use it only for testing filters. Its spectral resolution in near-UV is about 5x greater than the resolution of "standard" Sol'Ex. I am curious whether this would make any difference in the final image.
Adjusting the two Ca K filters is indeed a bit tricky ;-)
Now, and thanks to the spectrometer measurements, I know what is the temperature shift of the 1 A filter. It is right on Ca K at normal incidence from 15°C to 25°. This is very helpfull.
Basically, I adjust the tilt of the first Ca K Alluxa filter with the spectrometer. Then if the temperature is greater than 25°C, I adjust the tilt of the 1 A filter with the spectro. I am planning to build a table of tilt = f(temperature) for each Ca K filter.
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
Nice test thank you!!
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
Thanks Christian, it's a bit more complicated than I consider, taking into account the temperature range. I'm going to build up SHG also.
I just tried today to make DS from standard Ca K Lunt filters one by one with a small random tilt and it worked!
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I just tried today to make DS from standard Ca K Lunt filters one by one with a small random tilt and it worked!
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Re: May 22, 2023 : big session of tests : Altair G-band, Antlia 393-3 nm, and various Ca K combinations
These images are amazing, your 're doing things that are far beyond what i can come close to.